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		<title>M129 rough running</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2020 11:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[1965 250SE]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Over the last couple of months I&#8217;ve had issues with the M129 rough running in my 250SE.   The car was hesitating, idling poorly and just not running very well.   I&#8217;ve done a few things over the last few months to improve this situation. One of the first things I did was change the injectors.   The stutter when accelerating and hard starting when hot felt&#46;&#46;&#46;</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over the last couple of months I&#8217;ve had issues with the M129 rough running in my 250SE.   The car was hesitating, idling poorly and just not running very well.   I&#8217;ve done a few things over the last few months to improve this situation.</p>
<p>One of the first things I did was change the injectors.   The stutter when accelerating and hard starting when hot felt like a symptom of poor injectors.   I also didn&#8217;t want the situation of a leaky injector washing down my cylinder walls.   While not as cheap as the K Jet injectors, the MFI injectors are still available from Bosch and are not exorbitant.   The same cannot be said for the special ones used on the 6.3!  I didn&#8217;t do that job myself as it requires a special tool I do not have.     I had this job done at the same time as having the valves adjusted.</p>
<p>The next is a solenoid on the transmission that was impacting idle in gear.   The idle was too low even when adjusting with the idle air screw.    I&#8217;m not exactly sure what was wrong here, but it did fix my low idle problem.</p>
<p>The car also had a weak spark, so I had the coil and points changed.    When that was done, it was pretty apparent that the cap and rotor needed changing too, which is the part of the job I did myself.   This should have been so routine I would hardly need to mention it here, but there were a few things that I discovered along the way.</p>
<p>On the 80s cars, the distributor caps are marked with the cylinder numbers which makes installing them dead easy.   The older caps are not so marked.   This isn&#8217;t a problem if you&#8217;re just replacing the cap, as you simply hold it with the same orientation and move the leads over.   My problem was that in my haste I dropped the old cap and lost my orientation.   So much so that when I attempted to start the engine, it was extremely unhappy and didn&#8217;t start at all.  Obviously I had the order wrong.</p>
<p>This shouldn&#8217;t be a problem though.   If you can identify #1, you can start there and go around the cap with the firing order of the engine.   This is 1,5,3,6,2,4.   It wasn&#8217;t obviously apparent which one was #1.   In the end I discovered two ways of doing it.</p>
<p>The first is on the distributor there is a very fine line marked on the top of the outer rim where #1 should be.    You should be able to feel it with your fingernail.   From there, I noticed that the cap is actually marked.   There is a subtle raised section next to where the lead goes into #1.    In the photo below I have marked it with white paint.</p>
<p><a title="M129 rough running" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/97047353@N00/50572508296/" rel=""><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="aligncenter" title="M129 rough running" src="http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50572508296_53787dd68a_c.jpg" alt="M129 rough running" width="800" height="600" /></a></p>
<p>The first time I did this, I just pulled on each lead to try and trace to each cylinder.   This is the lazy way to do it, as in the end I was wrong and the car still didn&#8217;t run.   Instead, I ended up doing it properly by taking off the leads and numbering each one, and also numbering the cap.    Perhaps overkill, but I ended up with a running engine this way.</p>
<p>The next step was to replace the plugs.   I had found these all fouled up on the 450SLC after I <a href="https://www.classicjalopy.com/2020/07/replacing-cis-injectors-on-my-450slc/">replaced those injectors</a>.   They were even worse on the 250SE.    At least these plugs are much easier to swap out.  There are only six and access is very easy.</p>
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<p>After replacing the plugs I took the car for a test drive.  It is a lot better.   Still not perfect but now all these components are fixed, it is probably worth having it tuned again.   It may also benefit from some good drives to clear everything out.    I&#8217;m planning on taking the car on a longer drive next week and will probably also take it on the next night drive.    At least for now, I seem to have no more M129 rough running.</p>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2020 14:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[1977 450SLC]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>This week I replaced the CIS injectors and the spark plugs in my 450SLC and the car is running much better for it. I&#8217;ve been thinking about swapping the fuel injectors in the SLC for a while now.   When cold, the car wouldn&#8217;t run that well at first and you would need to blip the throttle a few times to get the idle to&#46;&#46;&#46;</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This week I replaced the CIS injectors and the spark plugs in my 450SLC and the car is running much better for it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about swapping the fuel injectors in the SLC for a while now.   When cold, the car wouldn&#8217;t run that well at first and you would need to blip the throttle a few times to get the idle to settle down.   This can be a sign that some of the injectors are not atomizing the fuel properly.   The car is less sensitive to this as it warms up, but proper atomization is important for smooth running and good power.   A really bad injector can also reduce engine life if it is squirting too much fuel and washing down the cylinder walls.</p>
<p>I was spurred on after I got the car out of storage post COVID19 lock down.   The car was really cantankerous when starting, almost stalling and not running properly and then it would eventually settle down to run on 7 cylinders.   My theory was that not being driven properly for 2-3 months had made this even worse and that it was fouling the spark plugs.</p>
<p>My other thought was that it was a good time to change them while they are still relatively inexpensive.   The parts are still available, but for how long?   D-Jet injectors are no longer available and the holders are no longer available for CIS-E injectors for the M104 engine.</p>
<p><a title="New CIS Injectors" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/97047353@N00/50097508152/" rel=""><img decoding="async" class="aligncenter" title="New CIS Injectors" src="http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50097508152_172d9b5223_c.jpg" alt="New CIS Injectors" width="800" height="600" /></a></p>
<p>There are three parts needed when replacing the injectors.    The CIS Injectors themselves, the seals and the holders.    It is not strictly necessary to replace the holders, but they are usually in poor shape once the injectors need changing.   Mine definitely needed changing.</p>
<p>Replacing the CIS injectors is not difficult, just a little fiddly.   The injectors and their seals are held in by little metal tabs.   I  unscrewed the fuel line before removing the tab, otherwise the injector would just spin.   My injectors were still snug in the holders, but could be removed without tools.   I had to use pliers to remove the holders, but they all came out easily.  I had to use a dental pick to remove the hard and brittle o-ring.</p>
<p><a title="CIS injector removed" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/97047353@N00/50085697776/" rel=""><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter" title="CIS injector removed" src="http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50085697776_ae279fc36c_c.jpg" alt="CIS injector removed" width="800" height="600" /></a></p>
<p>The picture above shows one of the injectors removed, but the holder still in the car.   The injector on the left shows one with the locking tab still in place.</p>
<p>My injectors were absolutely filthy.   I guess the seals were not working as well as they looked as the injector sides and holders were caked with grime.    The contrast with the new injectors is stark.</p>
<p><a title="CIS Injector - old vs new" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/97047353@N00/50085928207/" rel=""><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter" title="CIS Injector - old vs new" src="http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50085928207_e65b6374a6_c.jpg" alt="CIS Injector - old vs new" width="800" height="600" /></a>The CIS injectors are still made in Germany by Bosch.   It is a pleasant surprise that they haven&#8217;t been sent offshore.    Before the new injectors can be fitted, the seal must be pushed onto each injector.  The new seals are quite tight and it can take a few tries to get the seal on and pushed up to the end of the injector.  The injector and seal then fits into the holder, and the whole assembly is held down by the tab.</p>
<p>I found cylinder 3, 4, 5 and 6 the most fiddly.   On 3 and 4 there is the fuel lines and throttle linkage.   I have heard that some need to remove it, but I didn&#8217;t.  For 5 and 6 there is the pipe work for the fuel pressure regulator.     I did my best to clean up the area before removing the injector, and the injector hole before putting in the new holders.   They were pretty dirty on my car.   The picture below shows the state of the holders after removal.</p>
<p><a title="CIS injectors" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/97047353@N00/50085698061/" rel=""><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter" title="CIS injectors" src="http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50085698061_81c2b295c9_c.jpg" alt="CIS injectors" width="800" height="600" /></a></p>
<p>As the injectors are held on with hard lines, I had to be careful not to kink them.  The hard lines mean the CIS engines are not as susceptible to engine fires as D-Jetronic.    It took me a couple of hours to do all eight.   After I had done the first four, I had to move the car briefly.    it ran even worse with four new and four old injectors.   It is definitely worth replacing all the injectors at the same time.</p>
<p><a title="After completion." href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/97047353@N00/50085933037/" rel=""><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter" title="After completion." src="http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50085933037_5d870286b6_c.jpg" alt="After completion." width="800" height="600" /></a></p>
<p>After I had finished replacing the CIS injectors, the next step was the spark plugs.   I had forgotten how little room there is to work on the 107 chassis.   The 107 is basically a 114 chassis with a prettier body.   That means room is tight with the M117 V8.  Much tighter than the W126 and its cavernous engine bay.    A simple job to replace spark plugs is a pain on the 107.  The four rear cylinders being the worst.    It is easier to move the coolant expansion tank out of the way of the left hand side.   It may be easier to remove the battery on the right hand side, but i was able to get my hand in.</p>
<p>Having a ratchet with a hinged handle helped get into those last four.   I like to do most of the tightening by hand to make sure I don&#8217;t cross thread the plug, and only use the ratchet for the initial loosening and final snugging up.</p>
<p><a title="Spark Plugs" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/97047353@N00/50097477442/" rel=""><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter" title="Spark Plugs" src="http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50097477442_bf337f3282_c.jpg" alt="Spark Plugs" width="800" height="600" /></a></p>
<p>The plugs on 1-4 were worse, and I think #2 was the cylinder that wasn&#8217;t firing at all.  That plug had a lot of fuel and gunk clogging it up.   I also noticed I had some strange non-standard suppressors on 2, 3 and 4 that I will need to replace.</p>
<p>During the plug change I dropped one of the plugs and could not find it.   I had purchased a cheap boroscope on Amazon a few weeks ago, so that was a good test to find the plug.   While i was at it, I had a look inside the cylinders.   You can still see the factory cross-hatching on the walls, and other than some carbon build up on the pistons, the engine looks in great shape for 300,000 km.</p>
<p><a title="Boreoscope" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/97047353@N00/50097240586/" rel=""><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter" title="Boreoscope" src="http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/50097240586_90f5051ded_o.jpg" alt="Boreoscope" width="640" height="480" /></a></p>
<p>Finally I was ready for my test drive.   Initial start up was a bit choppy but once I got going there was a lot more power than before and the engine ran much better.   I now had 8 cylinders again!   The engine needs a fine tune, but my annual roadworthy is due later this month, so I will have that done when I got to get the pink slip.    So far this looks like it has been a really worthwhile repair.   I&#8217;ll soon be doing the same on my 560SEL as it needs a set of injectors too.</p>
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