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		<title>280SE W116 exhaust system</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jul 2022 03:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>The final things preventing me from turning the 280SE from a garage queen to a rolling restoration was getting the exhaust sorted out.   It really was a mess.   The rear muffler had been changed about 20 years ago (I have the receipt), but the rest was original.   It really showed.   Not only that, but the 280SE W116 exhaust for right hand drive cars is&#46;&#46;&#46;</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The final things preventing me from turning the 280SE from a garage queen to a rolling restoration was getting the exhaust sorted out.   It really was a mess.   The rear muffler had been changed about 20 years ago (I have the receipt), but the rest was original.   It really showed.   Not only that, but the 280SE W116 exhaust for right hand drive cars is a poor design.   It was shared with the early W123 M110 cars, and later corrected for the W126.  At that point the W126 design was applied to the W123 too.</p>
<p>There are two exhaust manifolds, one for the front three cylinders and one for the rear three cylinders.   Instead of going into separate downpipes like they do on the left hand drive models, there is a Y piece bolted directly to the manifolds.   There are two problems with this Y piece.   As the straight six head is quite long, it expands and contracts over time.   This eventually causes the Y piece to crack where the two arms come together.</p>
<p>The second is that it robs the cars of power.   In 1981, when the W123 changed from the W116 style exhaust to the W123 style exhaust it went from 112kW to 118kW.  More importantly, torque rose from 206Nm to 223Nm.   For this style exhaust the exhaust manifold ends are angled rearwards a little and there are dual pipes running under the car. <img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-5428" src="https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/W116-280SE-RHD-Exhaust.png" alt="W116 280SE exhaust" width="805" height="508" srcset="https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/W116-280SE-RHD-Exhaust.png 805w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/W116-280SE-RHD-Exhaust-640x404.png 640w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/W116-280SE-RHD-Exhaust-800x505.png 800w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/W116-280SE-RHD-Exhaust-768x485.png 768w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/W116-280SE-RHD-Exhaust-150x95.png 150w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/W116-280SE-RHD-Exhaust-400x252.png 400w" sizes="(max-width: 805px) 100vw, 805px" /></p>
<p>The Y piece can be seen in the diagram above as item 15.   When I got the car, I knew it was blowing from the Y piece.  I saw one for sale with a reinforced Y, so I bought it to put on the car.   Later, I realized the cracked Y piece was only the tip of the iceberg and the whole exhaust system was like swiss cheese.    To make the S class day, I used putty and exhaust patch kits to try and temporarily fix the issue.   I also drove there with all the windows open in case it was still leaking.    That is not a long term solution.</p>
<p><a title="280SE W116 exhaust" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/classicjalopy/52232963739/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img decoding="async" class="aligncenter" src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52232963739_9915575ba4_b.jpg" alt="280SE W116 exhaust" width="768" height="1024" /></a><br />
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<p>At this point it seemed silly to keep the Y piece.  It would make more sense to put the exhaust in that Mercedes-Benz should have from the outset.   Ideally I would have used later style manifolds too, but the W116 manifolds are fine if the pipes are bent around the steering box.    I took the car to the same exhaust place (Hi Tech mufflers in Darlinghurst) that did the systems on my <a href="https://www.classicjalopy.com/2020/05/560sel-stainless-steel-exhaust-system/">560SEL</a>, <a href="https://www.classicjalopy.com/2021/06/560sec-performance-exhaust/">560SEC</a> and 450SLC.   They do a great job and while they are not cheap, you&#8217;re getting a quality product they stand behind.</p>
<p><a title="280SE W116 exhaust" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/classicjalopy/52232952209/in/dateposted-public/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter" src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52232952209_a2631d4c8c_b.jpg" alt="280SE W116 exhaust" width="768" height="1024" /></a></p>
<p>The layout of the system is how the 280SE W116 exhaust should have been done by the factory.   It is basically the same as how they did the left hand drive cars.   Only difference is that its done in stainless steel, which will last a lifetime.    I didn&#8217;t end up using the spare Y piece I purchased, so I&#8217;ll be selling it to somebody who wants to keep their car stock.</p>
<p>The car drives and sounds much better.   It does seem a bit more powerful and willing to rev too.    Next job is to fix the sagging drivers seat.</p>
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		<title>560SEC performance exhaust</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2021 11:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[1987 560SEC]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>Last year I had the exhaust replaced on my 560SEL.   At the time the exhaust was rubbing on the drive shaft and had a few holes.   I had a custom stainless system built that I am really happy with.    This year I saved up to do the same thing on the 560SEC.   While the SEC&#8217;s exhaust wasn&#8217;t rubbing, it was starting to get&#46;&#46;&#46;</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year I had the<a href="https://www.classicjalopy.com/2020/05/560sel-stainless-steel-exhaust-system/"> exhaust replaced</a> on my 560SEL.   At the time the exhaust was rubbing on the drive shaft and had a few holes.   I had a custom stainless system built that I am really happy with.    This year I saved up to do the same thing on the 560SEC.   While the SEC&#8217;s exhaust wasn&#8217;t rubbing, it was starting to get a few rust holes.  It was also sometimes scraping on the ground even after replacing some hangers.  In addition, somebody had previously removed the back box and welded in an oval tip I didn&#8217;t think suited the car.   It&#8217;s been bugging me since I bought the car back in 2018. <img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4898" src="https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/560SEC-ECE-Exhaust.jpg" alt="" width="662" height="196" srcset="https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/560SEC-ECE-Exhaust.jpg 662w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/560SEC-ECE-Exhaust-640x189.jpg 640w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/560SEC-ECE-Exhaust-150x44.jpg 150w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/560SEC-ECE-Exhaust-400x118.jpg 400w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 662px) 100vw, 662px" /></p>
<p>As the SEC is the 10:1 compression <a href="https://www.classicjalopy.com/2019/02/the-m117-968-560-engine/">ECE model</a>, it has a different exhaust system as standard than my 560SEL.    The exhaust manifolds are two piece on each bank and go through longer headers. This is illustrated in the picture above that can be compared to picture in the <a href="https://www.classicjalopy.com/2020/05/560sel-stainless-steel-exhaust-system/">560SEL article</a>.    This is often referred to as the &#8216;tri-y&#8217; system.    Based on this, I was looking for a 560SEC performance exhaust.</p>
<p>As can be seen in the picture below, my new exhaust retains this feature. It is now in stainless steel 2&#8243; pipe. I&#8217;ve saved the original pieces to remain with the car too.</p>
<p><a title="560SEC performance exhaust" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/classicjalopy/51250328271/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter" src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51250328271_ce09dae23b_b.jpg" alt="560SEC performance exhaust" width="1024" height="768" /></a>The system continues as dual 2&#8243; pipes to a single centre muffler that replaces the factory kidney mufflers.    I&#8217;ve not seen stats, but the kidney mufflers seem very restrictive.    My straight through centre muffler should work much better.    The rear muffler is also much smaller than the factory rear box.   I was looking for something with a bit more presence, but without droning at speed or being obnoxious.</p>
<p><a title="560SEC performance exhaust" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/classicjalopy/51249599162/" data-flickr-embed="true"><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter" src="https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51249599162_f434664b09_b.jpg" alt="560SEC performance exhaust" width="768" height="1024" /></a>In having this system built, the other thing I was basing this off was the contemporary AMG systems.   The main difference is the AMG systems came straight out the back.   I didn&#8217;t want to modify my rear bumper or have the exhaust hang low, so I used the factory cut out.    You can see the AMG system in the centre and the tips on the bottom left.</p>
<p><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter size-full wp-image-4900" src="https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AMG-Exhaust.jpg" alt="" width="1024" height="720" srcset="https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AMG-Exhaust.jpg 1024w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AMG-Exhaust-640x450.jpg 640w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AMG-Exhaust-800x563.jpg 800w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AMG-Exhaust-768x540.jpg 768w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AMG-Exhaust-150x105.jpg 150w, https://www-classicjalopy-com.b-cdn.net/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/AMG-Exhaust-400x281.jpg 400w" sizes="auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px" />I had actually bought some AMG style tips, but due to the curvature required in the exhaust, I had these tips made up.   I think its a pretty good compromise to make sure the exhaust doesn&#8217;t impact any curbs.  My 560SEC performance exhaust sounds great and it should last a long time</p>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2020 12:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<category><![CDATA[1987 560SEL]]></category>
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					<description><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t planned on doing anything to the 560SEL&#8217;s exhaust system.   However, when I was checking on the possibility of reinstating the self leveling suspension I noticed that the current system was rubbing quite badly on the drive shaft.   In addition, it did not fit well and the hangers could not align.  It was being held up with wire in places.    I have&#46;&#46;&#46;</p>
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										<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hadn&#8217;t planned on doing anything to the 560SEL&#8217;s exhaust system.   However, when I was checking on the possibility of reinstating the self leveling suspension I noticed that the current system was rubbing quite badly on the drive shaft.   In addition, it did not fit well and the hangers could not align.  It was being held up with wire in places.    I have now replaced it with a new 560SEL stainless steel exhaust.</p>
<p>The diagram below shows the factory system.   While the Australian version of the 560 is quite similar to the USA version in many ways, it uses the standard catalyst exhaust, not the USA style.</p>
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<p>It is a rather odd design.   the centre mufflers are generally referred to as the &#8216;kidney&#8217; mufflers.    My system had been welded and patched a few times.  The kidney mufflers looked quite new, but they were not put in well, and the bends of the pipes meant nothing lined up properly.   There was also rust in the pipes between the kidneys and the rear muffler.</p>
<p>Instead of continuing the patch the system, I decided to replace it with a new 560SEL stainless steel exhaust system.     I wanted a system that would be more free flowing, but would still look original unless the car was up on the hoist.</p>
<p>The whole system was replaced from the manifolds back.   In a perfect world, I would have obtained a set of the two piece manifolds as found on my <a href="https://www.classicjalopy.com/2019/02/the-m117-968-560-engine/">560SEC ECE</a>.   Those manifolds are very expensive, so I went with what I had.   There are only two joins (as seen in the picture) so the whole system can be dropped easily.  This means less chance of leaks.</p>
<p><a title="560SEL stainless steel exhaust" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/97047353@N00/49917933543/" rel=""><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter" title="560SEL stainless steel exhaust" src="http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49917933543_d5da6d63e5_c.jpg" alt="560SEL stainless steel exhaust" width="800" height="600" /></a></p>
<p>The Australian version of the 560SEL is equipped with an oxygen sensor.   This has been fitted to a small join section behind the transmission.   The rearmost section has been painted black to match the original look.</p>
<p><a title="560SEL stainless steel exhaust" href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/97047353@N00/49918743627/" rel=""><img loading="lazy" decoding="async" class="aligncenter" title="560SEL stainless steel exhaust" src="http://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49918743627_aea4aa9271_c.jpg" alt="560SEL stainless steel exhaust" width="600" height="800" /></a>The new system is much neater and I can feel an improvement in performance of the car.    There is a slight increase in engine note, but still in keeping with how a luxury car like the 560SEL should sound.    As it has been raining this week, I have not been able to test the sound at high RPM/full throttle.</p>
<p>With an exhaust system that no longer rubbed against the drive shaft, I was able to take the car on a longer run.   I had arranged to meet a friend from the Mercedes club for a quick catch up.  A good run for the car.    He brought his <a href="https://www.classicjalopy.com/2020/05/guest-article-mrfrotop-buys-a-coupe/">1978 280CE W123</a>.   As it is an early CE, it has the nicer dashboard with the burl wood and self-leveling suspension.   280CE&#8217;s are an underrated car.</p>
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